tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post630798687338548665..comments2023-12-26T19:43:01.770-08:00Comments on FAMILY PRESERVATION not Adoption Separaration: Greed and Grandchildren: The Madoff LegacyMirah Ribenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13626873757236976251noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-11111204223345119972016-02-05T07:52:18.519-08:002016-02-05T07:52:18.519-08:00Yes, it does happen in divorce and it's WRONG!...Yes, it does happen in divorce and it's WRONG! It is wrong to keep a child from a parent. It is not about whether Bernie and Ruth have a "right" to see their grandchildren. It is about the RIGHTS of the grandchildren to see and know their ancestors.Mirah Ribenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13626873757236976251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-45731109876598283852016-02-04T22:28:24.969-08:002016-02-04T22:28:24.969-08:00Sounds like Mirah is projecting her own situation ...Sounds like Mirah is projecting her own situation on Stephanie keeping her children from seeing their grandmother in accordance with her dead husband's wishes ... and thinks that if Stephanie could do that perhaps she could again see her own grandchildren. I think not, anymore than she should take her children into prison to visit Bernie. Ruth and Bernie made their bed and now they can lie in it until the RIP. Move on Mirah. Same thing happens every day when one divorced parent no longer allows children to visit the other parent or grand parents. Normally one side or the other is evil in their purpose but in Madoff's case it was Bernie along with Ruth's loyalty to him over her much more honest sons that has led to this situation. It is of their own making and therefore is just. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-41126842425434459182011-10-21T12:12:39.782-07:002011-10-21T12:12:39.782-07:00All you say is true. I still feel badly for these ...All you say is true. I still feel badly for these family members who are being torn apart by this. And I feel especially sad for innocent children who have lost so much nd are being kept from their grandma - not by THEIR choice!<br /><br />You know, money doesn't always fix everything and can create problem as well. Steve Jobs died without meeting his father, because his father was afraid of appearing to want something from his very wealthy son.Mirah Ribenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13626873757236976251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-59530611823606445332011-10-20T19:20:05.023-07:002011-10-20T19:20:05.023-07:00Money cannot always be replaced. Many Madoff victi...Money cannot always be replaced. Many Madoff victims were retired, they won't be replacing their money anytime soon. <br /><br />Also try telling your Landlord or the Bank that holds your mortgage that money isn't important. You may just end up homeless. <br /><br />Presumably given unlimited quantities of money, most Birthmothers would not need to give up their children for adoption.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-47966859854903730322011-10-20T15:26:06.705-07:002011-10-20T15:26:06.705-07:00He didn't kill himself, he was whacked. Someb...He didn't kill himself, he was whacked. Somebody sent a message to Madoff. Killing his son was more painful to Bernie than killing Bernie himself. More than Bernie knew about this. It is plain ignorant to suggest otherwise. Everyone just looked the other way as the money kept rolling in. It wasn't like this was the counsin of Bernie Madoff that got whacked, it was him. If you doubt what I am saying, just remeber Ken Lay from Enron killed himself long after everything was exposed. Crooks don't have honor, they don't comit suicide. They get whacked because they stole your money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-21119785937980385602011-10-20T13:51:55.065-07:002011-10-20T13:51:55.065-07:00Anon,
I respect your right to your opinion, howev...Anon,<br /><br />I respect your right to your opinion, however, I put a far higher value on family connections that money. Losing money? That can be replaced. Family cannot!<br /><br />I write as one who has lost the ability to have contact with my only grandson, after losing both my parents and my eldest child. I would have given have any amount of money to have my daughter and grandson. Money. Things. All meaningless in the end....at least for me.Mirah Ribenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13626873757236976251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-47066142844337892172011-10-20T13:03:20.150-07:002011-10-20T13:03:20.150-07:00No, Madoff's "worst crimes" were aga...No, Madoff's "worst crimes" were against the charities and individuals he defrauded, not his family, who may or may not all have been complicit in his crimes, but all benefited for many years. Their loss was only that he got caught, not that he defrauded so many. Tragedies within the family are more the chickens continuing to come home to roost. Save your sympathy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-5675293196531747932011-10-20T10:26:28.551-07:002011-10-20T10:26:28.551-07:00Robin,
I agree there is more that we do not know ...Robin,<br /><br />I agree there is more that we do not know and that Mark nay have had reasons to cut his mother off...<br /><br />I still feel badly for a grandmother being disallowed to see her grandchildren and children who have lost so much family! it is still sad no matter if it valid or not.<br /><br />Many people who were told that a parent deserted, for instance, or were abusive or whatever still want to meet and know them.Mirah Ribenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13626873757236976251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2384966947084602158.post-55179036652812094762011-10-20T10:20:57.145-07:002011-10-20T10:20:57.145-07:00Since Stephanie Madoff Mack said she was honoring ...Since Stephanie Madoff Mack said she was honoring her late husband's wishes there may have been very good reasons for his wanting his immediate family to cut off all ties with his mother. I don't think at this point that anyone outside of the family knows enough about how much Ruth did or did not know or how much she was or wasn't involved. I can't totally agree with your assessment of this situation, I think there are still too many unknowns.Robinnoreply@blogger.com